Episode 37

Zack Eswine

A Stamina for Being Overlooked

Zack Eswine is the author of the book, The Imperfect Pastor: Discovering Joy in Our Limitations through a Daily Apprenticeship with Jesus. It's on my must-read list for pastors.
Zack Eswine is the author of the book, The Imperfect Pastor: Discovering Joy in Our Limitations through a Daily Apprenticeship with Jesus. It's on my must-read list for pastors.
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Show Notes:37. Zack Eswine — A Stamina for Being Overlooked

I’ve read a lot of books on the vocation of pastor. Zack Eswine’s book, The Imperfect Pastor: Discovering Joy in Our Limitations through a Daily Apprenticeship with Jesus, is one of my favorites.

As a pastor, there are the books we read to keep up with trends, the books we read to refine our understanding of theology and scripture, and the books we read to try and develop new skills. But occasionally, there are the books we discover that offer something far rarer, a deep and warm conversation with a good friend, a friend who isn’t ahead of us but walking with us. Zack’s writing has provided me with that kind of friendship.

His work is humble, transparent, and deeply contemplative. You won’t find strategies or novelty. What you’ll find is a holistic expression of the pastoral ministry: local, content, and awake to the subtleties of grace.

In our conversation, we talk about platform and a great phrase I picked up from Zack’s book, “a stamina for being overlooked.” I think this is one of the most important conversations I’ve had this year on the podcast.

 

  • A Sharp Compassion releases in less than one week. 

“In our desperate search for comfort, the temptation to minimize, neutralize, or distort the cross looms large for Christians navigating the fragility of our own shortcomings. But the cross is offensive. As Chase Replogle reminds us, ‘the cross is the singular offense we must not lose, for it frees us from all other offenses.’ A Sharp Compassion is a timely diagnosis of our contemporary condition, offering a challenging but accessible, difficult but beautiful path forward, away from suffocating fragility, toward a spacious and free life.”

Jay Y. Kim, Pastor and Author
  • “Through a careful look at some of Jesus’s most challenging conversations, Chase helps us better understand the trap of offense and how Jesus can rescue us from it. Like a skilled surgeon, Chase uses Jesus’s words to dissect our lives, helping us recognize the insecurity and idolatry that often leads us to envy and offense. Jesus loves us enough to be honest with us. For those willing to listen, his hardest words also turn out to be some of his best. With Chase’s usual mix of history, psychology, and literature, A Sharp Compassion is a fascinating and sober read. For those willing to take the journey, you’ll learn and certainly be changed.”

Mark Batterson
Lead pastor of National Community Church; New York Times bestselling author of The Circle Maker
  • A Sharp Compassion is now available for pre-order on audible!
  • I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
  • Just wanted to say thanks to those who have been pre-ordering the new book. Fun to see it ranked number three under Christian social issues.
  • Link in bio. A Sharp Compassion is officially online for pre-order. I've got a new episode on the Pastor Writer podcast introducing the book.
  • Link in Bio

I think our current debates about the Paris Olympics reflect how little we understand offense and our need for a Christian theology of offense. Of course it was offensive; the real question is what Christians should do with offense.
  • St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
  • Excerpt from Chapter 1: “A Sharp Compassion” is a line from T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets in which he describes Christ’s work as the wound that heals. Sometimes, it’s Jesus’s hardest words that work the greatest healing. But if we find ourselves offended by hard words, we risk never discovering that greater healing.
  • Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear
Chapter 2: Offense
Chapter 3: Insecurity
Chapter 4: Obsession
Chapter 5: Imitation
Chapter 6: Affirmation
Chapter 7: Accusation
Chapter 8: Healing
Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
A Sharp Compassion releases in less than one week. 

“In our desperate search for comfort, the temptation to minimize, neutralize, or distort the cross looms large for Christians navigating the fragility of our own shortcomings. But the cross is offensive. As Chase Replogle reminds us, ‘the cross is the singular offense we must not lose, for it frees us from all other offenses.’ A Sharp Compassion is a timely diagnosis of our contemporary condition, offering a challenging but accessible, difficult but beautiful path forward, away from suffocating fragility, toward a spacious and free life.”

Jay Y. Kim, Pastor and Author
A Sharp Compassion releases in less than one week. “In our desperate search for comfort, the temptation to minimize, neutralize, or distort the cross looms large for Christians navigating the fragility of our own shortcomings. But the cross is offensive. As Chase Replogle reminds us, ‘the cross is the singular offense we must not lose, for it frees us from all other offenses.’ A Sharp Compassion is a timely diagnosis of our contemporary condition, offering a challenging but accessible, difficult but beautiful path forward, away from suffocating fragility, toward a spacious and free life.” Jay Y. Kim, Pastor and Author
5 days ago
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“Through a careful look at some of Jesus’s most challenging conversations, Chase helps us better understand the trap of offense and how Jesus can rescue us from it. Like a skilled surgeon, Chase uses Jesus’s words to dissect our lives, helping us recognize the insecurity and idolatry that often leads us to envy and offense. Jesus loves us enough to be honest with us. For those willing to listen, his hardest words also turn out to be some of his best. With Chase’s usual mix of history, psychology, and literature, A Sharp Compassion is a fascinating and sober read. For those willing to take the journey, you’ll learn and certainly be changed.”

Mark Batterson
Lead pastor of National Community Church; New York Times bestselling author of The Circle Maker
“Through a careful look at some of Jesus’s most challenging conversations, Chase helps us better understand the trap of offense and how Jesus can rescue us from it. Like a skilled surgeon, Chase uses Jesus’s words to dissect our lives, helping us recognize the insecurity and idolatry that often leads us to envy and offense. Jesus loves us enough to be honest with us. For those willing to listen, his hardest words also turn out to be some of his best. With Chase’s usual mix of history, psychology, and literature, A Sharp Compassion is a fascinating and sober read. For those willing to take the journey, you’ll learn and certainly be changed.” Mark Batterson Lead pastor of National Community Church; New York Times bestselling author of The Circle Maker
2 weeks ago
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A Sharp Compassion is now available for pre-order on audible!
A Sharp Compassion is now available for pre-order on audible!
2 weeks ago
View on Instagram |
3/10
I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
I spent the past week with a great writers group in Kentucky. Great good, hospitality, and conversations on writing. And I signed my first copy of A Sharp Compassion.
3 weeks ago
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Just wanted to say thanks to those who have been pre-ordering the new book. Fun to see it ranked number three under Christian social issues.
Just wanted to say thanks to those who have been pre-ordering the new book. Fun to see it ranked number three under Christian social issues.
1 month ago
View on Instagram |
5/10
Link in bio. A Sharp Compassion is officially online for pre-order. I've got a new episode on the Pastor Writer podcast introducing the book.
Link in bio. A Sharp Compassion is officially online for pre-order. I've got a new episode on the Pastor Writer podcast introducing the book.
1 month ago
View on Instagram |
6/10
Link in Bio

I think our current debates about the Paris Olympics reflect how little we understand offense and our need for a Christian theology of offense. Of course it was offensive; the real question is what Christians should do with offense.
Link in Bio I think our current debates about the Paris Olympics reflect how little we understand offense and our need for a Christian theology of offense. Of course it was offensive; the real question is what Christians should do with offense.
1 month ago
View on Instagram |
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St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
St Louis day trip, art museum and rainy day at the zoo.
1 month ago
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Excerpt from Chapter 1: “A Sharp Compassion” is a line from T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets in which he describes Christ’s work as the wound that heals. Sometimes, it’s Jesus’s hardest words that work the greatest healing. But if we find ourselves offended by hard words, we risk never discovering that greater healing.
Excerpt from Chapter 1: “A Sharp Compassion” is a line from T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets in which he describes Christ’s work as the wound that heals. Sometimes, it’s Jesus’s hardest words that work the greatest healing. But if we find ourselves offended by hard words, we risk never discovering that greater healing.
Excerpt from Chapter 1: “A Sharp Compassion” is a line from T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets in which he describes Christ’s work as the wound that heals. Sometimes, it’s Jesus’s hardest words that work the greatest healing. But if we find ourselves offended by hard words, we risk never discovering that greater healing.
Excerpt from Chapter 1: “A Sharp Compassion” is a line from T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets in which he describes Christ’s work as the wound that heals. Sometimes, it’s Jesus’s hardest words that work the greatest healing. But if we find ourselves offended by hard words, we risk never discovering that greater healing.
2 months ago
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9/10
Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear
Chapter 2: Offense
Chapter 3: Insecurity
Chapter 4: Obsession
Chapter 5: Imitation
Chapter 6: Affirmation
Chapter 7: Accusation
Chapter 8: Healing
Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear
Chapter 2: Offense
Chapter 3: Insecurity
Chapter 4: Obsession
Chapter 5: Imitation
Chapter 6: Affirmation
Chapter 7: Accusation
Chapter 8: Healing
Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear
Chapter 2: Offense
Chapter 3: Insecurity
Chapter 4: Obsession
Chapter 5: Imitation
Chapter 6: Affirmation
Chapter 7: Accusation
Chapter 8: Healing
Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear
Chapter 2: Offense
Chapter 3: Insecurity
Chapter 4: Obsession
Chapter 5: Imitation
Chapter 6: Affirmation
Chapter 7: Accusation
Chapter 8: Healing
Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
Chaptaer 1: Hard Words to Hear Chapter 2: Offense Chapter 3: Insecurity Chapter 4: Obsession Chapter 5: Imitation Chapter 6: Affirmation Chapter 7: Accusation Chapter 8: Healing Chapter 9: Should We Too Offend?
2 months ago
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